Cops Are Hacking iPhones With Secretive $15,000 GrayKey

(07-17-2018, 05:50 AM)Mimiakira Wrote:

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(07-17-2018, 04:36 AM)singlehandlogic Wrote:

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Old school moron here, but some scotch tape and a coffee mug, or some other object, may be able to get you a finger print.

This does work, but It's not always the case.

Some manufacturers use "anti-spoofing" fingerprint techniques, such as looking for perspiration. This helps Identify a real finger and not your above-mentioned entities. Having said that, most don't use anti-spoofing, hence you can unlock a phone as follows.

* Fingerprint on masking tape.
* Fingerprint on silicon gel (mould).
* Photocopy of a fingerprint.
* Finger of a "corpse".

All these have been tried, tested and succeeded. Remember, It's matching a "partial" stored Image, not the full finger fingerprint.

Would love to try the masking tape method.

Aside from the finger of the corpse (unless anyone wishes to donate their finger), I've tried and succeeded with the above.

It was an arduous task with some tests- a lot did prompt for a numeric password after ex-amount of Invalid fingerprint authentication attempts, and lockout policies also took effect.

(07-17-2018, 06:10 AM)mothered Wrote:

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(07-17-2018, 05:50 AM)Mimiakira Wrote:

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(07-17-2018, 05:13 AM)mothered Wrote:

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This does work, but It's not always the case.

Some manufacturers use "anti-spoofing" fingerprint techniques, such as looking for perspiration. This helps Identify a real finger and not your above-mentioned entities. Having said that, most don't use anti-spoofing, hence you can unlock a phone as follows.

* Fingerprint on masking tape.
* Fingerprint on silicon gel (mould).
* Photocopy of a fingerprint.
* Finger of a "corpse".

All these have been tried, tested and succeeded. Remember, It's matching a "partial" stored Image, not the full finger fingerprint.

Would love to try the masking tape method.

Aside from the finger of the corpse (unless anyone wishes to donate their finger), I've tried and succeeded with the above.

It was an arduous task with some tests- a lot did prompt for a numeric password after ex-amount of Invalid fingerprint authentication attempts, and lockout policies also took effect.

In what other attempts have been gathered but, were not successful?

(07-17-2018, 06:30 AM)Mimiakira Wrote:

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(07-17-2018, 06:10 AM)mothered Wrote:

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(07-17-2018, 05:50 AM)Mimiakira Wrote:

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Would love to try the masking tape method.

Aside from the finger of the corpse (unless anyone wishes to donate their finger), I've tried and succeeded with the above.

It was an arduous task with some tests- a lot did prompt for a numeric password after ex-amount of Invalid fingerprint authentication attempts, and lockout policies also took effect.

In what other attempts have been gathered but, were not successful?

This did succeed, but It did take a lot of work.

What users need to realize Is this. Cell phone fingerprint scanners are small and do not take directional/orientated prints hence a "partial" print, so a mismatch with a partial print does happen. Here's an analogy to give a good understanding. When someone Is apprehended and taken Into custody for prints, you'll notice (where the Ink Is still used) they roll their finger onto the Ink to make sure the full finger Is printed. Scanners on cell phones, evidently do not have this type of operation and only rely on a single-facing fingerprint, and that's where the vulnerability exists.

(07-17-2018, 06:46 AM)mothered Wrote:

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(07-17-2018, 06:30 AM)Mimiakira Wrote:

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(07-17-2018, 06:10 AM)mothered Wrote:

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Aside from the finger of the corpse (unless anyone wishes to donate their finger), I've tried and succeeded with the above.

It was an arduous task with some tests- a lot did prompt for a numeric password after ex-amount of Invalid fingerprint authentication attempts, and lockout policies also took effect.

In what other attempts have been gathered but, were not successful?

This did succeed, but It did take a lot of work.

What users need to realize Is this. Cell phone fingerprint scanners are small and do not take directional/orientated prints hence a "partial" print, so a mismatch with a partial print does happen. Here's an analogy to give a good understanding. When someone Is apprehended and taken Into custody for prints, you'll notice (where the Ink Is still used) they roll their finger onto the Ink to make sure the full finger Is printed. Scanners on cell phones, evidently do not have this type of operation and only rely on a single-facing fingerprint, and that's where the vulnerability exists.

That's shocking to do so hear from you. For the safety and precaution of businesses out there like apple, I would personally advise remove the finger print scanner.

(07-17-2018, 06:58 AM)Mimiakira Wrote:

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(07-17-2018, 06:46 AM)mothered Wrote:

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(07-17-2018, 06:30 AM)Mimiakira Wrote:

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In what other attempts have been gathered but, were not successful?

This did succeed, but It did take a lot of work.

What users need to realize Is this. Cell phone fingerprint scanners are small and do not take directional/orientated prints hence a "partial" print, so a mismatch with a partial print does happen. Here's an analogy to give a good understanding. When someone Is apprehended and taken Into custody for prints, you'll notice (where the Ink Is still used) they roll their finger onto the Ink to make sure the full finger Is printed. Scanners on cell phones, evidently do not have this type of operation and only rely on a single-facing fingerprint, and that's where the vulnerability exists.

That's shocking to do so hear from you. For the safety and precaution of businesses out there like apple, I would personally advise remove the finger print scanner.

Don't get me wrong, fingerprint authentication Is quite secure but not to the effect It's made out to be.

As mentioned earlier, If you have fingerprint authentication active and have everything to hide, law enforcement agencies can (and will) obtain a warrant and force you to unlock the phone. You cannot be forced to remember a 4 digit PIN code.

(07-17-2018, 07:19 AM)mothered Wrote:

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(07-17-2018, 06:58 AM)Mimiakira Wrote:

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This did succeed, but It did take a lot of work.

What users need to realize Is this. Cell phone fingerprint scanners are small and do not take directional/orientated prints hence a "partial" print, so a mismatch with a partial print does happen. Here's an analogy to give a good understanding. When someone Is apprehended and taken Into custody for prints, you'll notice (where the Ink Is still used) they roll their finger onto the Ink to make sure the full finger Is printed. Scanners on cell phones, evidently do not have this type of operation and only rely on a single-facing fingerprint, and that's where the vulnerability exists.

That's shocking to do so hear from you. For the safety and precaution of businesses out there like apple, I would personally advise remove the finger print scanner.

Don't get me wrong, fingerprint authentication Is quite secure but not to the effect It's made out to be.

As mentioned earlier, If you have fingerprint authentication active and have everything to hide, law enforcement agencies can (and will) obtain a warrant and force you to unlock the phone. You cannot be forced to remember a 4 digit PIN code.

Well, they can't magically force you if your finger is cut or, in bad condition. If that was the case and, you've forgotten the passcode, What is the next step really... The only thing I can think of is, cracking it via a previous post I've made.

(07-17-2018, 07:56 AM)Mimiakira Wrote:

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That's shocking to do so hear from you. For the safety and precaution of businesses out there like apple, I would personally advise remove the finger print scanner.

Don't get me wrong, fingerprint authentication Is quite secure but not to the effect It's made out to be.

As mentioned earlier, If you have fingerprint authentication active and have everything to hide, law enforcement agencies can (and will) obtain a warrant and force you to unlock the phone. You cannot be forced to remember a 4 digit PIN code.

Well, they can't magically force you if your finger is cut or, in bad condition.

Remember, It's a "partial" print that unlocks the device. If the finger Is cut, burnt or otherwise beyond the recognition of It's "entire" print, that's a different story. But that's very unlikely.

Typically, the device takes around 10 fingerprint Images- just to make It easier to find a match. If any of the partial (10) stored Images are matched, It will unlock the phone.

Why the cops need to do that when they have access to what they acctualy wants

(07-17-2018, 10:04 AM)Mansispicher39 Wrote:

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Why the cops need to do that when they have access to what they acctualy wants

Cell phones can contain an array of vital data, and If the police believe that unlocking the phone will lead to the apprehension and conviction of It's rightful owner, then I think It's well and truly justified.

Of course, warrants/court orders need to be obtained prior to accessing the device.

just a thought, wonder what nano tech we can create that would be able to manufacture a material, like a plastic, that would ideally prevent finger prints from being stored on its surface.... this would be used in communications devices for authorized people. laptops, cell phones, any other tools or equipment that is sensitive that is used in the field.